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Windows 10 meets the Recycle Bin

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:03 pm
by melek
My fascination with Windows 10 as the operating system on my primary computer ended this weekend.

The way that I use my computer is as a productivity tool. I manage the forums, write, create videos, edit photos and do website work. I don't do much else, although occasionally I do play an older game.

"All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy."
Watch "The Shining," starring Jack Nicholson and Shelley Duvall, for an explanation of that line.

My primary issues with Windows 10:
  • There were many programs ("apps") and features I never or rarely used.
  • Cortana was of little use but wanted to know if it could help me. Plus, I couldn't speak to it, because this computer has no microphone.
  • It lacked some basic things, such as a calculator. I had to go to the Windows Store to download a calculator.
  • From Day One, there was some unknown program that would launch itself at startup and remain minimized. It could never be closed. It never had a title, and I couldn't locate it in Task Manager.
  • Once launched, the Windows Store would pop up at odd times, hoping that I would buy something. No, thanks. I just need to work.
  • After using and closing the calculator, it would relaunch itself.
  • Various parts of the Microsoft "experience" would launch themselves in the background, just in case I wanted to rent a movie, go to a restaurant or buy an "app."
Those last three items were particularly irksome. When you close a program, it should remain closed and not re-open itself randomly.

On top of that, all of a sudden, my image editor would launch and then take a two-minute breather before it became usable.

Then, there was the decision to make all title bars white, which made it really difficult to tell which was the active program. With a tablet, the active program is the one that is at displayed on screen. But the PC experience is different.

In any case, a reformat of my main drive and fresh installation of Windows 7 took care of things.

I'm now in the process of reinstalling my programs. I am going to take this opportunity to rebuild my music library, which has become a mish-mash of ripped CDs from the past 12 to 15 years.

I also had to apply the many Windows updates – about 250 of them. Some were necessary to allow me to install my third-party programs. Ironically (or maybe not), the ones that wouldn't install at all until the OS was updated were the Microsoft programs: Expression Web, Expression Design and the keyboard control software.

I'm very pleased with Windows 7. While it's not a modern interface for a mobile device (tablet or phone), it's fine as a productivity OS. I purchased Windows 7 from an eBay reseller - $54. It's an official Microsoft CD intended for people who refurbish computers. The activation key worked perfectly.

Windows 7 is sturdy, stable and predictable. It doesn't interfere with my work, and it doesn't ask me to do something at random times.

I know what I want from an operating system, and Windows 10 is not it. It might be fine for many people, but it fell far short of what I wanted and expected.

Re: Windows 10 meets the Recycle Bin

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:24 pm
by titrisol
I had an issue with my external HDD
It is encrypted with a keypad on it... was not able to read from it!
so to the trash can!

Re: Windows 10 meets the Recycle Bin

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:17 pm
by Dustin McAmera
Thanks for that. Your observations sound like things I'd hate too, so were well worth hearing. Not carrying over 'Calculator' seems crazy! It takes up no room, and can't possibly have security vulnerabilities.
I bought this current laptop as an emergency move. Its predecessor failed at exactly the wrong time, and it's what I could buy for next to no money, so I had low expectations of it. It came with windows 7, which I have liked from the start. It seems to keep out of my way.
I recently spent an evening wrestling with Windows Update (it wouldn't update, but was wasting a lot of CPU time trying) and somehow resolving my problem revived the 'Get Windows Ten' nagging update. I've disabled that again, and now I may just leave Windows 7 alone until I'm forced to get another computer.

Re: Windows 10 meets the Recycle Bin

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 1:59 am
by r-brian
My wife's new-this-summer Toshiba laptop has Win10 (upgraded 3 weeks after purchase) (replaced a Toshiba laptop with Vista that never had a problem), my daughter's Toshiba laptop new last Christmas was upgrade to Win10 from Win8 (which was not very good) and my son's brand new Alienware gaming computer (Dell) came with Win10; no issues as you described with any of them. Still have 2 desktops with Win7. Probably going to keep Win7.

Re: Windows 10 meets the Recycle Bin

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 1:33 pm
by melek
There probably are some good things in Windows 10, but when I'm really into some heavy duty work and ALT+Tab to another program, it's aggravating to have the Windows Store appear.

I think it will be a fine OS for a tablet.

I don't have a problem with Microsoft. I've used most of its operating systems since about 1990 (DOS 5.0) and some of those early DOS programs. What did DOS mean? ... oh, Disk Operating System. I had to think about that one. Config.sys. Autoexec.bat. Expanded memory vs. extended memory. Ah, the good old days of computing.

Re: Windows 10 meets the Recycle Bin

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 2:35 pm
by titrisol
what do you mean 1 MB of RAM??? Are you nuts???
My college advisor when I needed more memory for simulations

Re: Windows 10 meets the Recycle Bin

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:27 pm
by PFMcFarland
titrisol wrote:what do you mean 1 MB of RAM??? Are you nuts???
My college advisor when I needed more memory for simulations
I came across my MS-Dos 6.22 manual the other day. Thought I had tossed that long ago. I liked it when you could make your computer faster just by hot rodding it, instead of having to resort to new software.

PF

Re: Windows 10 meets the Recycle Bin

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:52 am
by P C Headland
The title bar colours, or lack thereof has been fixed in the latest major update (TH2). The latest release fixed a number of minor issues, though the original TH2 release did unset all your privacy settings.... Accidentally of course. I've not seen any of the other problems you described on any of my work devices. Never seen the store pop up, not unless I launched it ;-)

On my Dell tablet (Atom), upgrades from 8.1 just never worked properly - poor battery life and a myriad of annoying problems. A wipe and clean install fixed all my problems. In all cases, 10 has improved performance over 8.1, which itself always felt quicker than 7.

Re: Windows 10 meets the Recycle Bin

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:05 am
by titrisol
I was talking to a friend yesterday, and I think I will try the Hackintosh way....
My wife loved the look and feel and I have a HP laptop that canbe converted.
Anyone has succesfully tried this?

Re: Windows 10 meets the Recycle Bin

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:22 pm
by PFMcFarland
I'm considering turning my 8.1 laptop into a Linux machine.

PF